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So the lesson is helping someone overcome tribulations.

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If someone's going through difficulty or tribulations,

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it could be anything. Loss of a loved one, loss

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of a job, financial, addiction, health concerns,

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whatever trials or tribulations the person's

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going through. We're going to talk about how

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we can help that person deal with it and help

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them get to a good place. Scripture says, which

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you will not find anywhere on this page, Consider

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it pure joy when you face all manner of trials

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and tribulations. Taking that verse to somebody

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who's going through difficulty and saying, hey,

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you know, the Bible says you should have joy.

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You should be happy. Things aren't going right.

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That's not very helpful, right? In fact, I would

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highly recommend that you don't do that. You

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want to use that for yourself? You want to say,

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hey, I'm going through difficulties. I'm going

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to count this as joy. That's something you can

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do. But to go and try to tell other people that

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they should have joy in the middle of tribulations

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is hard. It's hard to deliver that message. It's

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hard to receive that message. Okay? So we're

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going to work through some things that are actual

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practical steps that you can take. They're all

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biblical. And we'll have lots of verses. And

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so I can read. Kashawn can read. Right, Kashawn?

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Yep. Okay, make sure you have your Bible accessible.

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Josh can read. We'll get it done. Anybody else

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wants to read? Everybody can read if they want

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to. All right? So you're right on the top of

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the page number one. Okay? And so the blanks

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are not filled in. Okay. So you see it says compassionate

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presence there. So what do you think the B and

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the W are? Okay, that would be good. Blessed

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with or begin with. compassionate presence. So

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presence is being there, not complicated, except

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that we're not good at it in our current society

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because like, for example, we have laws not to

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use your cell phone while you're driving and

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you look at the screen because people are not

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present while they're driving, for example, sometimes.

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Things like that. So we really lack. We'll go

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to dinner. Sharon and I went out to dinner and

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we were just talking about how people don't spend

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time together. And we looked around and there

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were like nine other tables that we could see

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where the people were, instead of talking to

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each other, they were looking at their phones.

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They're all on their phones. So we have a rule

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on date night. We don't get on our phones when

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we sit down because we're present. We're there.

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And then compassionate means caring and wanting

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to do something about what's going on. Compassion

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is you care, and compassionate means you're in

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the state of caring. So it's a presence. It's

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a compassionate presence. And then to begin with

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that, that's what we're going to start with.

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So we've got the scripture. If it's a New Testament

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book and it starts with the letter R, what do

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you think? Romans. Romans is correct. And it's

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Romans, and it says D -O -Z under the number.

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So it's Romans 12. 15, very good. It's Romans

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12, 15. Okay? Does anybody know what Romans 12,

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15 says? As soon as I read it, I think I might

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have heard that before. Okay. Romans 12, 15,

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I can almost quote it from memory, but not quite,

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says, Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with

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those who weep. So when you show up at somebody's

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house, For dinner, hanging out, whatever. If

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they're happy, be happy. If they're sad, be sad.

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This is especially pointed toward the church.

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It's a biblical standard Christians are supposed

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to do. Then we're going to keep going down. It

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says LM. So if you're having a compassionate

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presence and you're with them, you're going to

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listen more. The LM is listen more. So normally

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you hang out with somebody and you're talking

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and listening and talking and listening. You

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tell a lot of stories, maybe half the stories.

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Somebody says something and you say, hey, yeah,

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that same thing happened to me back when my dad

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and I were fishing. This happened, right? Or

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there was a blue one and oh yeah, I saw a red

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one, right? And you're back and forth and it's

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like 50 -50. They talk, you talk. Now, to show

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compassionate presence, you talk less. Let them

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talk more. It's not about you. So just listen

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more to what they're saying and talk less than

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what you normally do. Now if they ask you a question,

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don't sit there in silence. That's rude. But

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be aware that they might ask you a question that

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they don't want an answer to. Like they might

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say, why is this happening to me? And if you

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have an answer of why this is happening, probably

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any answer you would give is not going to be

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a good answer. For example, they say, why does

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this happen to me? And you say, well, you know,

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stuff happens. Well, that's not a good answer.

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Well, why does this happen? Well, you did do

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something wrong and you're being punished. Well,

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that's definitely not a good answer. Well, why

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does this happen to me? Well, because, you know,

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into every life a little rain must fall. Not

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a good answer. What answer are you going to give?

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Right? So sometimes there are questions that

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they may ask that they're really not looking

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for an answer to. And either the things that

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we're going to learn here in a minute that you

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can say that will answer that question, you probably

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don't want to say them when the question is asked.

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Because when they say, why is this happening

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to me? They're not really looking for an answer.

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But later, a few minutes later, an hour later,

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whatever, in the conversation, you might be able

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to explain why it's happening. But when they

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ask that question, if you answer, you might hurt

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their feelings, you might cause them to stumble,

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that kind of thing. So listen more, talk less.

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And then after the slashes, If I give you the

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P, which is pain, would you take a stab at what

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the A and the M might be? No. Say it again. No.

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We definitely don't want to add more pain, right,

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or amplify moderate pain. We don't want to add.

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So the words are avoid. And then you can use

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an M word, but I use minimizing pain. So here's

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what you'll have happen. You're talking to them

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and they'll say, well, I shouldn't be upset,

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right? I have no reason to be upset. I'm hurt,

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but should I even be hurt? You don't want to

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minimize their pain. Don't tell them that they

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shouldn't be feeling pain. Don't tell them that

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they shouldn't be hurting. So they lost their

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job, they lied, they cheated, they stole on the

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job, now they lost their job. and you go sit

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with them, and they're aggravated, and they're

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upset, I should have done that, and I wish that

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hadn't happened, and they're feeling like they're

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dying because they lost their job, don't minimize

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their pain and just say, well, just don't do

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it again next time. It's really no big deal.

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You'll find another job. We don't want to minimize

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the pain that they're feeling because those are

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real emotions that they're having. So avoid minimizing

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their pain. And then over to the right, it says,

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your presence, What do you think your presence

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reflects? God's nature? Or God's nearness? Right?

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Either one? So you being there, what does God

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do for his people? He never abandons us. So you

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being there is like him being there. And you're

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there to represent him, but also you're there

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to make a statement about how he's there. And

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we won't go and read Job 2 .13, but Job 2 .13

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is that passage where it says that Job's friends,

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they all came and stayed with him and they sat

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there with him for over a week and said nothing.

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They had nothing to say. And it says because

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they saw his suffering was horrible. He was having

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horrible suffering. So they're really, when another

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person's having suffering, maybe you just need

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to be there. I can't tell you, probably now,

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probably seven or ten times I've been with somebody.

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who either just lost a loved one or they themselves

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were in the process of some pretty terrible suffering.

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And my just being there was the whole thing.

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That was it. I didn't have any great answers

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or anything. I was just with them. And if that's

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all you do, you'd be getting it right. Because

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your presence reflects God's nature or God's

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nearness. Okay, then we'll go on to number two.

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I know that's a funny looking thing. That's an

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anchor. Right there, next to the two. Sorry,

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Hannah, to insult your great artistic abilities.

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I should have had you draw the anchor, huh? Anyway,

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that's an anchor. And so the A is anchor. The

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A is anchor. And so what we want to do is anchor

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them in God's goodness. So the whole point, when

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people are suffering, they're shaking. They're

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in fear, they're in anger, they're troubled.

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doubt, whatever, and we need to get them back

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into and solidly put them in God's goodness.

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That's the goal. Even though, yes, bad things

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have happened or are happening, we're not denying

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that, but the goal is to get them back into God's

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goodness. And then this is an Old Testament book

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that starts with the letter L. Lamentations.

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That's right. Lamentations. L -A -M -E -N -T.

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A -T -I -O -N -S. Now, somebody tell me what

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Lamentations means. What does the word Lamentations

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mean? Cry. Yeah. It's cries out. Plural cries.

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Many cries. More than one cry. Out. Okay? So,

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Lamentations is written by... Can you stab at

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it? Deshawn, who wrote the book of Lamentations?

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Jeremiah. Jeremiah the prophet. Jeremiah was

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called the weeping prophet because he went through

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some real hardships. In fact, the last thing

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we hear about him was they put him in chains

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and drug him off to Egypt because his prophecy

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said he would never go back to Egypt. So then

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to prove him wrong, they threw him in chains

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and drug him off to Egypt. But he'd been thrown

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in a well, beaten, threatened, everything. He

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was treated horribly. So he's called the weeping

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prophet. And the book of Lamentations is written

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by Jeremiah and it has a lot of weeping in it.

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Okay? And Lamentations 3, 31 through 33 says

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as follows. For the Lord will not reject us forever.

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Even if he causes suffering, he will show compassion

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according to his abundant faithful love. For

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he does not enjoy bringing affliction or suffering

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on mankind. Okay? And so then, the next one is

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a New Testament book. It starts with an H. Hebrews.

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Right? So, Hebrews 13 .8. 13 .8 is the reference.

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Let me see if I can get it from memory. The Lord

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Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and

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forever? know if I got that right. Anyway, the

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point is he's the same. So over here to the right

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you see it says gently remind. So these are the

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things we're going to gently remind the person

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of. The first one is GL. What do you think it

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is? God's love. That's exactly it. God's love.

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Perfect. Got that easy. The next one's an S.

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It's harder. Sovereignty. God's sovereignty.

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So we've got God's love and God's sovereignty.

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And then we have an M. If I said I'm going to

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remind you of God's, and it starts with an M,

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what would you say? It's a trait of God and it

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starts with an M. Yes, but that's not the one.

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Mercy. God's mercy. So as we're dealing with

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somebody who's in the middle of suffering or

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tribulation, We want to remind them of God's

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love, of God's sovereignty. Okay, I'm going to

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give you that right now. So how would you remind

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a person of God's love, sovereignty, and mercy?

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What tools do we have that we can remind them?

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Starts with a T. Yeah, you could teach them.

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So if you're going to teach them, what would

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you use to teach them? The Bible. Okay. So the

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Bible talks about situations where people were

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suffering 2 ,000 years ago and 3 ,000 years ago

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and 5 ,000 years ago. But what's something that's

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a little bit more close to home that we could

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use that might have to do with that person or

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have to do with yourself? Testimonies. Okay.

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1 John 1 .3 says, We proclaim what we have seen

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and heard, that you may have fellowship with

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us, and our fellowship is with God the Father

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and His Son, Jesus Christ. So we tell them about

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what we have seen and heard. Like an example,

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Sherry and I had a pretty horrible experience

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where her grandfather passed away, and we were

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going to visit him, and they had called the family

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in like a week before, and so he could have passed

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away at any time. And we were going to visit

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him. And we had a softball game that night. And

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we played the softball game. And then right afterwards,

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we arranged for somebody to take the kids home

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and put them to bed. And we were going to go

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out and visit her. And as we were leaving the

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ballpark, we heard that he passed away. And,

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you know, we were already mourning his loss because

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he was very close to death and it was rough.

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But we were literally leaving the ballpark to

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go visit him and heard that he passed away. So

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we went home. Kids are in bed. And that night,

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we were lamenting to God. We were just expressing

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how sad we were to God. And I wound up just holding

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her. I didn't really have anything to say. There

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was no comfort other than God's comfort, you

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know, that kind of thing. And then some years

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later, we had other experiences that were bad.

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Judy died. My dad died. Things like that. We

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had a horrible situation where Sherry... She

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had to jump ship and leave the company that she

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was in because she helped start the company and

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built it from the ground up, and then she had

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to leave there and go be at another company because

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the guy was just running it into the ground.

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The other partner was running it into the ground.

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She had to get out of there. It was a horrible

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situation. We've had other situations. Well,

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that situation of us lamenting to God, us hanging

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out that night, and about 2 o 'clock in the morning

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just crying together, praying together, and looking

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to God, we look back at that situation of how

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God got us through that situation. Does that

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make sense? So we can bring up, see how God saw

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us through that. Now we can talk about how God

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saw us through when Judy died, how God saw us

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through when my dad died, how God saw us through

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when we had to leave that job all of a sudden.

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So we can talk about those things that we have

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experienced, and that gives us strength. The

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tool is testimonies. That is the primary tool

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you're going to use. The truth is you may have

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never felt suffering like what they're feeling.

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You're not testifying saying, Here I have this

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story that's bad. You have this bad thing you're

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going through. My bad thing over here was worse,

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and God got me through it, so he's going to get

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you through it too. Never do that. Don't compare

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your story to their story. But if you can say,

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God loves us. Let me tell you how I know God

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loves us, because I had this experience, and

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out of that, I know God loves me. God has mercy.

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I really screwed up, and this bad thing was happening.

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My life was falling apart, and I turned it over

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to God, and God did this. God has mercy. God

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is in charge. One time I thought I was going

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to get away with something, and I did this, and

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then I realized, oh, you know, God saw it, nobody

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else saw it, and then God exposed it, so everybody

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saw it. God is in charge. So you have testimonies

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to testify to God's love, God's sovereignty,

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and God's mercy. Not to tell them what they're

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going through is somehow less. So never compare

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what your experiences were to their experiences,

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but use your testimonies to talk about the character

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of God. Okay? Alright. There is another little

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point under this. So if you take your pen right

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now and start next to where it says tools, and

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go over toward the right edge of the page, and

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then go all the way down, you're going to cross

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the mountain. You see a little mountain sticking

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out there. And you see a phrase, and it says,

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suffering is not abandonment, and then circle

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it. This is the interactive part. So you start

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with tools, you go over to the right, all the

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way down the side of the page, cross the mountain,

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and circle. Suffering is not abandonment. And

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that is a key part of anchoring them in God's

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goodness. Because if their suffering means that

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God has abandoned them, then is God good? No.

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God is not good. If God has abandoned me in my

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darkest hour, then God is not good. So a key

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part of them recognizing and being anchored in

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God's goodness is to understand that God has

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not abandoned them and facing suffering is not

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abandonment. So why did I put it way down there

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and make you draw the line, do you think? What's

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the symbolism of that? Yeah, it's got a point

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to it. We got a point to it. Has anybody here?

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had an experience of real suffering? I know you

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have. Anybody want to share one briefly? Just

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give us a one -liner. Say, this happened to me.

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I'll do one for you. So, all of a sudden, my

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parent died. I lost my parent. Wasn't expected,

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wasn't coming. All of a sudden, it happened.

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Okay? When that happens, do I feel like God is

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with me? Not really, right? I mean, you're focused

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on how bad things are. You're dealing with it.

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You're coping. So in the midst of their suffering,

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it's going to feel like God is far away. If they

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turn to God, focus on Him, pray, as you said,

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read the Bible, listen to your testimonies, those

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things, God will feel less far away, right? And

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maybe they will feel his presence and they'll

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get anchored in his goodness. And they might

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even do that all on their own. You can do it

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all on your own as you just turn to God when

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things are difficult. But your job is to recognize

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when suffering is causing them to feel abandoned

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or far from God and help them search around and

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find God again. And you might have to go kind

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of far to do that with your testimonies. You

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might have to tell 10 stories or 20 stories.

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You might have to listen to 20 stories that they

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tell. They might talk about being angry with

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God. They might cuss God out in your presence,

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and they might do that five times. And if you

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say, hey, if you talk like that when I'm around,

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I'm going to leave. I'm not going to stay. And

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they do it the third time, and then you leave.

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Well, then it's over. Your helping them through

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their tribulations is over. So you might have

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to put up with a lot of crap, basically, while

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they're going through stuff. Ideally you don't,

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but you might have to. So the point is, you might

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have to root around and figure out how you can

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help them see that suffering is not abandonment.

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Now we're on three, number three, under the eagle.

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So we have the word encourage. So we're going

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to encourage three things. One is an H, one is

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a P, and one is an L. Anybody know any of them?

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Hope is the first one. Very good, sir. Hope.

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So we want to encourage them to have hope. And

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you might do that by saying, you know, yeah,

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you feel bad. Of course you do. I mean, it's

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a horrible thing that you're going through. But,

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you know, with time, the pain that accompanies

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this will ease. You are going to be okay. You're

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going to make it through. No one's rushing you.

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You can suffer for a while. You can hurt. You

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can ache. And I ache with you. I know I don't

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have the same ache that you have, but I have

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ache too. You feel this pain. That's fine. It's

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right that you should feel pain. But it could

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get better. It will get better. Please see that

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it will get better. So that's hope. Encouraging

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hope. How about the P? Prayer. That's right.

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You're going to encourage prayer. Okay? You may

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or may not know this, but the... Probably the

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place in the Bible you'll find the most examples

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of other people's prayer is in Psalms. And in

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the book of Psalms, you'll find examples of all

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kinds of prayer. Some of the prayers are pretty

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bad. They're pretty harsh. Pretty wicked. Like,

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I'm really suffering. This really sucks. Dash

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the heads of my enemies' babies against the rocks.

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Destroy them. Burn them alive. I mean, it's terrible.

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The prayers are bad. So why pray? when your heart

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is like that? Well, because you're committing

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the outcome to God. So yes, they said dash the

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heads of the babies against the rocks, and that

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is a horrible thing, but what were they really

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doing? They were putting it in the hands of God.

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They were saying, we're not going to dash the

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babies' heads against the rocks, but if that's

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what's appropriate, then you do that, God. So

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they were submitting it into God's hands, as

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horrible as that is. So we're going to encourage

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hope and prayer. And the last one's a little

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bit tricky, but we've already had it. It is not

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love. Say again? Nope. Nope. It's lament. Right?

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So that's like from lamentations. So you want

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them to say out loud, to express their emotions

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out loud what they're feeling. Right? If they

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think I'm super sad, I'm going through this crap

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basically, and they turn all that inward and

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feel horrible about themselves, that results

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in anxiety, depression, PTSD, lashing out later,

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explosive anger, every kind of disorder under

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the sun. So it's better to kind of express it.

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Now, it's a lament, meaning we're going to express

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it to God, ideally. Right? So the goal is for

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them to express to God how they're feeling. And

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you'll notice there's a little arrow that goes

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down from there under the word lament. And it

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says, F in. And the words are faith in struggles.

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That's what a lament is. So when you say to God,

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God, I am really hurting here. This is horrible.

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I can't believe I'm going through this. God,

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help me. Bring this to an end. Get me out of

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this. Give me strength. I am really hurting.

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When you do that and lament to God that way,

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You are expressing your faith, trusting in God,

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in the middle of your struggles. Okay? And it

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says in Psalm 62, 8, Rest in God alone, my soul,

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for my hope comes from Him. And so, He is the

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one who really can provide for you. Josh, can

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you get Philippians 4, 6 -7? He is the one who

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really can provide it for you. Okay, Josh is

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looking up Philippians 4, 6 through 7 for me.

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And then that next line says, the P is pray.

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And then there's a W. And then it says not. And

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there's a JFT. Anybody got a gut feeling of what

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that might say? You're going to pray. It's a

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W, not JFT. Pray. Okay, the W is with. Pray with

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not. And then JFT. Not just for them. Here's

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the thing. There is great advantage to them expressing

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out loud what they're feeling. Praying to God.

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Like if you say, I'll pray for you, I'll pray

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for you. And then you go away and pray for you.

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They don't even hear the prayer. If you stand

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there with them and you say, I'll pray for you,

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and you pray, and you pray, Lord, I'm begging

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you for strength for Bob. Bob lost his dad. Bob

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lost his job. Bob just got diagnosed with stage

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4 cancer. Bob's struggling with addiction. I'm

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begging you for strength for Bob. Well, how do

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you know Bob is praying for strength? What if

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that's not what Bob is praying for? It's a thing

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he should be praying for, but you're praying

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for strength for him. He may not be in a place

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where his heart wants strength. Or you pray,

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give Bob wisdom, Lord, to deal with what he's

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going through right now. What if Bob isn't praying

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for wisdom? Or Bob doesn't want wisdom, right?

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So you want to pray with them, listen to them,

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and then pray with them. They say, for example,

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if they're crying out, why is this happening?

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I can't believe this is happening. And they're

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talking around all these different ideas of why

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it might be happening. Then praying for wisdom,

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you say, Bob, can we pray for wisdom? You know,

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maybe God will give you some answers to these

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questions that you're answering. You pray for

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wisdom. And Bob says, yeah, let's do that. And

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then pray with them and say, well, here, I'll

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lead and you can repeat after me. God, please

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give me wisdom. Bob says, God, please give me

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wisdom. Or you say, how about I'll pray and then

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you pray and then I'll close. That way you can

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end in Jesus' name. And if they are willing to

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do that, that's great. Then they're praying out

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loud what they're going through. And tell them,

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say, tonight when you're laying in your bed and

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you're really suffering, you can cry out to God.

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When you feel like you can't go on, you can say,

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God, I feel like I can't go on. And tell them

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that and help them verbalize what they're going

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through. Okay, Josh, you got it? Be anxious for

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nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication

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with thanksgiving, let your requests be made

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known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses

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all comprehension, will guard your hearts and

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your minds in Christ Jesus. So very simply, and

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there's a lot... there we could unpack, right?

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What the verses that he just read are saying

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is that peace comes with the prayer of expression

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of the need to God. It doesn't come because God

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does a miracle and you get what you want or because,

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you know, if you're praying for peace, then that

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would be the miracle, right? But otherwise, let's

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say you're praying for a new job because you're,

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oh man, my bills are coming due, my water's going

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to get shut off, all this, and you're praying

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for a new job. And if God gives you the new job,

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that's not going to give you peace. Right? Because

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now you've got to work the job. First paycheck

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doesn't come for a week or two weeks. You've

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got to get the budget balance. You've got to

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find the money you need. You've got to organize

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everything. You're stressing, running around,

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trying to figure it all out. Talking to family

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members, can I get an extra 50 bucks just to

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get me through until my paycheck? That's not

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peace. Right? But the fact that you express your

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need of the job to God There's some peace in

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that just because I can't control whether I get

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a job or not. I can take the steps. I can do

00:28:15.859 --> 00:28:17.920
those things. If God wants me to get a job, I'm

00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:19.259
going to get a job. If God doesn't want me to

00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:21.480
get a job, I'm not going to get a job. Even if

00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.839
I do everything I'm supposed to. If God wants

00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:25.279
me to have enough money to pay my bills, then

00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.500
I'm going to have enough money to pay my bills.

00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.240
And if he doesn't, then I'm not going to. See,

00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.019
there's peace in that. Peace in letting the outcome

00:28:31.019 --> 00:28:34.680
not be on you. You still have to do all the things

00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.240
you're supposed to do, but putting the outcome

00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:40.019
on him yields peace. And there, of course, is

00:28:40.019 --> 00:28:41.539
a lot more in those verses that we could unpack.

00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.839
But we're using it for that right now. So you're

00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:46.900
going to pray with that person, not just for

00:28:46.900 --> 00:28:52.099
that person. And then the next one, you're going

00:28:52.099 --> 00:28:55.579
to normalize. That's a big word. You probably

00:28:55.579 --> 00:28:57.960
wouldn't have guessed that with a million tries.

00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:04.920
Normalize expressing, expressing, E -X -P -R

00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:11.329
-E -S -S -I -N -G, expressing. So they're talking

00:29:11.329 --> 00:29:14.029
about grief. And people who are going through

00:29:14.029 --> 00:29:16.869
grief go through a phase of denial. They go through

00:29:16.869 --> 00:29:19.029
a phase of anger. And they go through a phase

00:29:19.029 --> 00:29:22.150
of blame. And when you're facing tribulations,

00:29:22.230 --> 00:29:24.069
you'll go through phases just like you're going

00:29:24.069 --> 00:29:25.950
through grief. Even though it might not be grief.

00:29:26.029 --> 00:29:27.849
That might not be the tribulation. It might be

00:29:27.849 --> 00:29:31.349
something else. So the point is, you're going

00:29:31.349 --> 00:29:34.089
to normalize expressing what they're going through.

00:29:34.250 --> 00:29:38.579
Tell them it's okay. to say what they're experiencing.

00:29:40.339 --> 00:29:44.960
But the goal, notice, is to express that grief

00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:47.640
to God. So it shouldn't just be, I'm going around

00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.160
telling all my friends, or I'll tell my counselor,

00:29:51.259 --> 00:29:54.299
but I won't tell anybody else. It should be expressing

00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:57.680
the grief to God. And you want to show that that's

00:29:57.680 --> 00:29:59.880
normal. You can say, well, I'm here with Bob,

00:30:00.019 --> 00:30:03.440
I'm feeling pain, and you pray to God, God help

00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:05.079
me, this pain that I'm feeling, this hurt that

00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.769
I'm feeling for Bob, It's so much. I know it's

00:30:07.769 --> 00:30:09.130
not as much as what Bob's going through right

00:30:09.130 --> 00:30:11.910
now, but please help me to deal with this pain.

00:30:12.109 --> 00:30:13.930
Help me to deal with this struggle. Help me to

00:30:13.930 --> 00:30:16.170
have wisdom and strength here today. And now

00:30:16.170 --> 00:30:18.809
they see your example, right? You didn't pray

00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:21.630
for Bob. You prayed for yourself. But they see

00:30:21.630 --> 00:30:25.089
your example. Now, ultimately, they need to get

00:30:25.089 --> 00:30:26.869
to the point where they can express their grief

00:30:26.869 --> 00:30:32.609
to God. Okay? And then the next part says, peace.

00:30:35.120 --> 00:30:40.180
Often. That is C -A -S. Anybody have a, want

00:30:40.180 --> 00:30:45.980
to take a guess? Comes. Peace often comes. It's

00:30:45.980 --> 00:30:52.119
after. Peace often comes after. Think about the

00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:57.279
Bible. Peace often comes after. Yes, but we're

00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.220
looking, we're thinking simpler. Say it again.

00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:03.259
The peace kind of is serenity, sort of like that.

00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.980
It's surrender. The word is surrender. And Jane,

00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:08.539
you were on the right track because salvation

00:31:08.539 --> 00:31:12.339
is surrender, right? But it's surrender of your

00:31:12.339 --> 00:31:14.779
eternal condition, your whole self, so you can

00:31:14.779 --> 00:31:17.500
be saved. In theory, hopefully we're talking

00:31:17.500 --> 00:31:19.539
about a saved person. But if you're not talking

00:31:19.539 --> 00:31:21.440
about a saved person, then I would go to salvation

00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.420
then at that point. But if you're talking about

00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:24.920
a saved person that's going through tribulations,

00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.200
then you're talking about surrender, right? Notice

00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.000
peace often comes after surrender, not, what

00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:42.200
do you think that E is? It's explanation. So

00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:46.640
during trials, tribulations, and struggles, everybody

00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:51.700
wants to understand. And if you would understand,

00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:55.400
like you can get down to every variable. Well,

00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.519
this happened because... When Bob was younger,

00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.440
Bob did this, this, and this, and now they said

00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:03.539
that affected his heart. Nobody ever knew. He

00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:07.079
passed away at 45 because these are the factors.

00:32:07.339 --> 00:32:12.180
Or when the company closed down, the reason the

00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:14.140
company closed down is because they invested

00:32:14.140 --> 00:32:16.180
in these properties, and the properties all went

00:32:16.180 --> 00:32:20.539
under, and now the company didn't have the money

00:32:20.539 --> 00:32:22.779
to pay their bills. They started not paying their

00:32:22.779 --> 00:32:24.500
employees, and the employees were suing them.

00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.559
Understanding all that is not going to bring

00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.420
you peace. Understanding the details of why somebody

00:32:29.420 --> 00:32:31.519
died, why did they get cancer? They got cancer

00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:32.940
because they smoked from the time they were nine.

00:32:33.579 --> 00:32:35.319
There's no peace in that. Is there peace in that?

00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:40.000
Where's the peace? At best, you could say, well,

00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.420
I guess that means I probably won't get cancer

00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:44.059
because I didn't smoke from the time I'm nine.

00:32:44.099 --> 00:32:45.660
But now I still have to deal with the loss of

00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:48.740
my loved one or my job or whatever. There's no

00:32:48.740 --> 00:32:52.160
peace in it. Peace comes after surrender. Most

00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:53.779
of the time. It's not always, but most of the

00:32:53.779 --> 00:32:56.099
time. So once you turn it over to God, that's

00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.720
when you get the peace. Not the understanding.

00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.539
And the truth is, there's a question after a

00:33:02.539 --> 00:33:05.059
question after a question after a question. Like,

00:33:05.059 --> 00:33:06.740
if it came out, he smoked since he was nine,

00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.480
well then why back in the 50s did they let everybody

00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.380
start smoking when they were nine? Why was it

00:33:11.380 --> 00:33:14.579
like that? Why is smoking not illegal? That's

00:33:14.579 --> 00:33:16.619
a question that you can't answer. I mean, you

00:33:16.619 --> 00:33:20.000
can, but there's no real answer. Alright? So

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:25.019
we're on four. It says point to God's purpose.

00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:30.619
Without going in there, do we know what is God's

00:33:30.619 --> 00:33:36.640
main purpose for trials and tribulations? Yes,

00:33:36.940 --> 00:33:40.180
to teach, to learn. But not to learn specific

00:33:40.180 --> 00:33:43.259
lessons that are attached to those trials. Let's

00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:47.019
go to the very first one. The T is trials. And

00:33:47.019 --> 00:33:58.390
then it says equals what? Kind of, but... Say

00:33:58.390 --> 00:34:02.309
it again. That's true, but that's not what we're

00:34:02.309 --> 00:34:06.470
looking for. The Bible says that trials eventually

00:34:06.470 --> 00:34:10.349
equals steadfastness. And that's a weird word,

00:34:10.429 --> 00:34:13.969
so it's okay. Steadfastness. And steadfastness

00:34:13.969 --> 00:34:21.769
means you stick. You stay the course. So I'm

00:34:21.769 --> 00:34:23.389
going to give you like a real life example. Let's

00:34:23.389 --> 00:34:28.530
say you wanted to run a marathon in 2028. What

00:34:28.530 --> 00:34:33.730
are some things you might do? Train, prepare,

00:34:34.170 --> 00:34:40.510
practice, eat right, hydrate, sleep. As it got

00:34:40.510 --> 00:34:43.090
closer, you probably would work less and run

00:34:43.090 --> 00:34:47.070
more, right? So the main idea of a marathon,

00:34:47.150 --> 00:34:51.380
you've got to run 26 miles. And lots of people

00:34:51.380 --> 00:34:53.539
set out to run a marathon of 26 miles and never

00:34:53.539 --> 00:34:58.179
do it. They'll quit at 20 or 10, right? Because

00:34:58.179 --> 00:35:01.679
they just don't know what kind of steadfastness

00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.059
it's going to take to do that. And that marathon

00:35:04.059 --> 00:35:05.659
then becomes a picture of all kinds of things.

00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:07.880
What if you wanted to start a business? You know,

00:35:07.940 --> 00:35:09.480
I'm going to start a business and my business

00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.059
is going to do X and I'm eventually going to

00:35:12.059 --> 00:35:15.170
make $50 ,000 a year. through this business.

00:35:15.190 --> 00:35:16.730
It might take me 20 years, but I'm going to get

00:35:16.730 --> 00:35:18.409
there. And I'm going to turn it over to my kids

00:35:18.409 --> 00:35:20.550
when I die. And they're going to start out with

00:35:20.550 --> 00:35:23.050
a business making $50 ,000 a year. And that's

00:35:23.050 --> 00:35:24.869
your vision. But it's going to take 20 years

00:35:24.869 --> 00:35:27.150
to get there. That's going to take steadfastness.

00:35:27.210 --> 00:35:29.650
You have to stay the course. So the time between,

00:35:29.750 --> 00:35:33.630
let's say you're going to run a marathon in 2028

00:35:33.630 --> 00:35:35.269
and you start doing all those things you said

00:35:35.269 --> 00:35:37.800
you were going to do. And so every day you're

00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:38.960
getting up and you're eating right, drinking

00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.679
plenty of water, going to bed on time, getting

00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.380
up on time, and you're working out the muscles

00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:45.239
that you'll need, and you're losing weight, slimming

00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.179
down, adding muscle mass, doing all those things,

00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:49.239
right? And then about three months from now,

00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.639
you stop doing those things. And about three

00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.579
months later, you start doing them again, and

00:35:55.579 --> 00:35:57.260
about three months later, you stop doing them.

00:35:57.780 --> 00:35:59.860
And the last year before the marathon, you just

00:35:59.860 --> 00:36:02.559
kind of do it periodically, a little bit, here

00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.139
and there. How do you think the marathon's going

00:36:05.139 --> 00:36:08.260
to go? Not great. You think you're going to be

00:36:08.260 --> 00:36:10.199
one of the people that stops at 15 miles or 20

00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.519
miles? On the other hand, if you put yourself

00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:14.960
through those trials between now and 2028 and

00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:18.039
you never stop eating right, never stop sleeping

00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:19.920
right, never stop drinking plenty of water, never

00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:21.980
stop working out every day, you go to run one

00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:23.679
mile in a month, you're running a mile a day.

00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:25.599
In six months, you're running five miles a day.

00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:28.059
In a year, you're running 10 miles a day. And

00:36:28.059 --> 00:36:29.639
in a year and a half, you're running 20 miles

00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.159
a day. And the marathon comes and you're going

00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.340
to run the whole marathon. Because trials...

00:36:35.289 --> 00:36:38.030
Equals steadfastness. What you put yourself through.

00:36:38.190 --> 00:36:41.889
Makes you able to stay the course. And in this

00:36:41.889 --> 00:36:44.730
case it's what God allows us to go through. Trials

00:36:44.730 --> 00:36:48.289
equals steadfastness. Okay. And then the G there

00:36:48.289 --> 00:36:54.269
is growth. And it's growth without denying pain.

00:36:54.869 --> 00:36:58.650
So the purpose of the trial. There is a point

00:36:58.650 --> 00:37:02.420
here. And we're pointing to God's purpose of

00:37:02.420 --> 00:37:04.400
the trial. The purpose of the trial is growth.

00:37:05.300 --> 00:37:08.039
But we're not telling you you can't have pain.

00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:12.739
It's fine to have the pain. But down the road,

00:37:12.780 --> 00:37:14.539
you're not going to allow the pain to stop you.

00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.780
Growth without pain. Without denying the pain.

00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:22.300
And then we have a certain kind of perspective.

00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:30.179
The E is what? Effort, presence, bubbly perspective.

00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.619
No. Sorry. It's eternal. Eternal perspective

00:37:35.619 --> 00:37:39.559
over temporary suffering. So we've got to think

00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:42.239
about how as much as this sucks right now and

00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.159
we're really experiencing pain and like that,

00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.039
we're going somewhere. God's taking us somewhere

00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:50.940
where all of this will be gone. All the tears

00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:52.760
we're experiencing now, someday we're going to

00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.159
be in a place where there's no tears. All the

00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:56.420
pain and suffering that we're going through now,

00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.019
someday we're going to be beyond it, past it,

00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:02.099
right? And we're thinking about eternal perspective.

00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:05.059
So we want steadfastness. Because if all the

00:38:05.059 --> 00:38:07.900
suffering goes out of your life, in a few years,

00:38:08.059 --> 00:38:11.320
you won't be living for God. That's just a reality.

00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:13.360
You say, no, I will because I believe in Jesus

00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.199
and the Holy Spirit and blah, blah, blah, blah,

00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.119
blah. Okay, but biblically speaking, trials equal

00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:23.090
steadfastness. So if there are no trials, You

00:38:23.090 --> 00:38:25.030
wouldn't be living for God. You don't need to.

00:38:25.210 --> 00:38:27.570
You don't want to. You won't have that. You'll

00:38:27.570 --> 00:38:30.150
be embracing the things that are going on. You'll

00:38:30.150 --> 00:38:33.030
be driving one of your 17 Lamborghinis, living

00:38:33.030 --> 00:38:36.190
in your 40 ,000 square foot house, running your

00:38:36.190 --> 00:38:40.050
businesses, or on the floor with your grandkids.

00:38:40.170 --> 00:38:42.289
But would you be going to church? Would you be

00:38:42.289 --> 00:38:44.269
giving 10 % of your income? Would you be serving?

00:38:44.469 --> 00:38:49.010
Would you be cleaning up puke? Would you be flushing

00:38:49.010 --> 00:38:51.170
toilets? You say, well, no, I'm not going to

00:38:51.170 --> 00:38:52.690
do any of that because I'm a multi -billionaire.

00:38:52.690 --> 00:38:55.170
I'll just pay people to do that. Yeah, see? But

00:38:55.170 --> 00:38:56.909
if those are things that God calls you to do,

00:38:56.929 --> 00:38:58.650
you wouldn't be doing any of them. Eternal perspective

00:38:58.650 --> 00:39:02.230
over temporary suffering. And then trials equals

00:39:02.230 --> 00:39:06.309
shaping, not punishment. So as we're with them,

00:39:06.329 --> 00:39:08.969
we do not want to be saying, even if a person

00:39:08.969 --> 00:39:12.530
sinned against God and the sin is clearly what's

00:39:12.530 --> 00:39:15.349
causing their punishment. Right? They clearly

00:39:15.349 --> 00:39:18.380
sinned. They're clearly paying for it. It's not

00:39:18.380 --> 00:39:20.460
your job to sit there and go, you clearly sinned,

00:39:20.500 --> 00:39:22.320
you're clearly paying for it. You just got to

00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.380
wait it out. That is not the goal. We need to

00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:28.400
think of it as shaping. We're learning from this.

00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.699
We're growing beyond this. We're staying the

00:39:30.699 --> 00:39:35.420
course. And then, of course, encourage hope and

00:39:35.420 --> 00:39:38.639
prayer and lament. It is completely okay to lament

00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:43.000
the fact that God is punishing you for sin. If

00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.099
you don't do that, you're not being very realistic.

00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.079
Right? You're like, but I'm mad. I'm upset. I'm

00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:51.179
sad that God is punishing me. Like when a child

00:39:51.179 --> 00:39:54.679
lies and then gets a spanking, are they supposed

00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:56.900
to be happy while they're getting spanked? I'm

00:39:56.900 --> 00:39:58.320
going to spank you now. This is going to hurt

00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.000
me more than it hurts you. Don't you dare frown

00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.840
at me. Don't you dare cry. I mean, they're getting

00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.619
a spanking. They should be upset. Right? And

00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:10.860
if they're laughing and smiling, we think, oh,

00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:13.980
well, they're not really concerned. I don't have

00:40:13.980 --> 00:40:16.440
to spank them harder. Or call it a better punishment.

00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.340
Right? Alright. Now we're on five. Less blanks

00:40:22.340 --> 00:40:24.619
from here on out. We're on the down slope. Walk

00:40:24.619 --> 00:40:30.400
with them toward hope and restoration. Remember

00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.860
this is all compassionate presence. That was

00:40:33.860 --> 00:40:35.880
where we started at. We're trying to anchor them

00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.380
in God's goodness. Encourage hope and prayer

00:40:38.380 --> 00:40:41.500
and lament. Point to God's purposes for what

00:40:41.500 --> 00:40:44.449
they're going through. Not specific purposes,

00:40:44.590 --> 00:40:48.309
but shaping to have an eternal perspective, that

00:40:48.309 --> 00:40:52.329
they would grow, have steadfastness. And then

00:40:52.329 --> 00:40:54.889
we're going to walk with them toward hope and

00:40:54.889 --> 00:40:58.070
restoration. Anybody want to read Isaiah 40,

00:40:58.170 --> 00:41:00.550
31? There's another one that some people memorize.

00:41:05.329 --> 00:41:07.809
And then somebody else can get Revelation 24.

00:41:16.650 --> 00:41:26.829
Now I'll grab Galatians 6 .9. If somebody's got

00:41:26.829 --> 00:41:34.489
it, just let me know. Isaiah 40 .31 first. Yet

00:41:34.489 --> 00:41:36.789
those who wait for the Lord will gain new strength.

00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:39.590
They will mount up with wings like eagles. They

00:41:39.590 --> 00:41:42.250
will run and not get tired. They will walk and

00:41:42.250 --> 00:41:45.519
not become weary. Okay, so one action point,

00:41:45.619 --> 00:41:50.480
exactly one. Did you catch it? Wait for the Lord.

00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:55.579
If you wait for the Lord, then you get stronger.

00:41:57.099 --> 00:42:02.139
You're more able. And you'll go on. You'll have

00:42:02.139 --> 00:42:06.079
steadfastness. So it is our job to walk with

00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.079
them toward hope and restoration. That's what

00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:13.030
we want to do. And say, look, this sucks. Not

00:42:13.030 --> 00:42:15.489
denying your pain, but there is an opportunity

00:42:15.489 --> 00:42:20.090
coming. Just let me be quiet and just listen

00:42:20.090 --> 00:42:22.409
to that. Usually what happens is they spiral

00:42:22.409 --> 00:42:24.030
through. If it's grief, for example, they'll

00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:26.389
spiral through the different phases seven times,

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ten times, twenty times. And eventually they

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get tired. They wear themselves out. I'm tired

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of denying it. I guess it is true. I'm tired

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of being angry. That's not helping anything.

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And they're going to get down to like, okay,

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now what do I do? The key is to wait on the Lord.

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Okay. Revelation 21 .4. Kishon. Oh, go ahead.

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Go ahead. Amen. Kishon, you want to find Galatians

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6 .9? While he's doing that, I'll give you the

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blanks below it. It says, hope is not, you should

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know this one by now. Denial of pain. Exactly.

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Hope is not denial of pain. When you see somebody

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and they're struggling, they're in the pain,

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whatever, it does not mean that they cannot have

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hope. And that people will resist having hope

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because they say, but I'm hurting, but I'm hurting.

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It's okay to be hurting and also to have hope.

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You can do both. Okay, Kishon, you got it? Go

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ahead. Amen. So, I think this verse works both

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ways. It encourages us to stand in there and

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do the right thing with somebody who's suffering

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tribulation. It also encourages them to stay

00:44:02.969 --> 00:44:08.090
the course and to make it through. Okay? So it

00:44:08.090 --> 00:44:10.949
says there it is not about fixing. So if somebody

00:44:10.949 --> 00:44:13.510
complains to you that they're hurting, I get

00:44:13.510 --> 00:44:16.309
this frequently, where some people say, well,

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I don't have X. I don't have money. I don't have

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a job. I don't have a car. Things like that.

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And it seems like a pretty easy solution there

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would be to give them money, a car, a job, right?

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That's a pretty easy solution, right? Does that

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actually solve the problem, the real problem?

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Does it achieve the real goal? It does not. Because

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the trials equal steadfastness. But if you keep

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coming along and erasing the trials, no steadfastness

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develops. In fact, what actually winds up happening

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is people don't have any steadfastness. They

00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:56.760
leave behind what they have. And so it is not

00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.179
about fixing the problems or the suffering or

00:44:59.179 --> 00:45:02.420
the trials that they're going through. Sometimes

00:45:02.420 --> 00:45:05.719
it is. When it's a matter of surviving. If they

00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.539
have no food, for example. And providing them

00:45:08.539 --> 00:45:11.059
with food is a very good thing. But the best

00:45:11.059 --> 00:45:12.739
thing to provide them with is your presence.

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Well, I don't have a car with you that I can

00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:17.480
give you, but I'm not going to abandon you either.

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Nor is God. Just because you don't have a car

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and I can't give you a car doesn't mean we can't

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win in this situation. Right? And then you walk

00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:31.380
beside them while God does redemptive work. So

00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:33.519
we're going to walk it out. So usually when people

00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:35.000
are struggling with transportation issues, I

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.199
usually say, well, I can get you to church Tuesdays

00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:43.019
and Sundays. I'll pick you up. Doctor's appointments

00:45:43.019 --> 00:45:45.260
sometimes. Here's ways you can get doctor's appointments.

00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:48.119
Here's ways you can get to the grocery store.

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But I don't say, well, here's a car. People are

00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:55.059
looking for a job. Then I help them search for

00:45:55.059 --> 00:45:56.800
a job. I don't have a job. All of a sudden, we'll

00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.099
help them search for a job. And I might give

00:45:59.099 --> 00:46:02.769
references. Do you have clothes for the interview?

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You know, things like that. People are grieving

00:46:06.269 --> 00:46:09.150
the loss of a loved one. You can't bring their

00:46:09.150 --> 00:46:12.349
loved one back. Revenge won't do it. You can't

00:46:12.349 --> 00:46:14.510
punish the person that killed them. None of that's

00:46:14.510 --> 00:46:16.369
going to help. But you can be there with them

00:46:16.369 --> 00:46:18.469
and walk beside them as God does his redemptive

00:46:18.469 --> 00:46:20.789
work. And then you'll notice there is a little

00:46:20.789 --> 00:46:22.769
box over on the right. Did you see it before

00:46:22.769 --> 00:46:25.969
you put your folder up? It says, stay engaged.

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Encourage healthy steps. Notice that God's final

00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:37.579
word is healing. Revelation 21, in the end, we

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are healed of all of it. People pray to be healed

00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.039
so they can walk in heaven, they dance. Or fly.

00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.840
When the new heaven and new earth comes, they'll

00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:49.139
disappear in one place and appear in another.

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They'll only walk if they feel like walking.

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And fly if they feel like flying. Otherwise,

00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:54.920
they'll just be in one place and then be somewhere

00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:56.820
else. Because they'll have completely new bodies

00:46:56.820 --> 00:47:01.429
that are like that. There is a final word of

00:47:01.429 --> 00:47:04.610
healing that is coming. Even in this lifetime,

00:47:04.909 --> 00:47:09.210
Job, the devil, worked through circumstances

00:47:09.210 --> 00:47:13.090
to take everything he had. And in the end, because

00:47:13.090 --> 00:47:15.869
Job stayed steadfast through all trials, God

00:47:15.869 --> 00:47:18.369
gave him back everything he had multiple times

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over. And you see that all throughout the Bible.

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So God's final word is healing. If you live long

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enough, you will overcome the trouble that you're

00:47:27.889 --> 00:47:31.010
going through right now. And not only that, but

00:47:31.010 --> 00:47:32.929
then you can use this that you've been through

00:47:32.929 --> 00:47:37.889
to help others and do the same thing. Okay? Questions?

00:47:41.510 --> 00:47:47.070
Concerns? Alright. I'm going to... So, the teenagers

00:47:47.070 --> 00:47:49.570
18 and under... See how I did that, Natalie?

00:47:50.929 --> 00:47:55.010
And soon Mike. I'll be 18 soon, right? If you

00:47:55.010 --> 00:47:56.969
meet me by the prize bin in the office, I have

00:47:56.969 --> 00:48:00.239
prizes. I'll give you prizes. Instead of throwing

00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:03.460
candy today. And then we have chips and dip in

00:48:03.460 --> 00:48:08.059
the cafeteria. Praise the Lord. Homemade dip.

00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.500
Slightly more chaotically made than was intended,

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but effective.
