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This is part two of the Kingdom of God.

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Okay, part two of the Kingdom of God.

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Alright, so before we get into this, last week we talked about the King.

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I hope you figured out that the King is Jesus.

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Very clearly has been pointed through all through scripture as Jesus.

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So this week we're going to begin talking about the Kingdom,

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let's say this right, itself, the Kingdom itself,

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which is that place in which Jesus reigns as King based on what we saw last week.

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We will not finish today.

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We're going to delve deeply into two strategies or two doctrines of understanding of this topic today.

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And then we'll get the third one and kind of bring it all together next week.

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And then we'll have the latter half of next week and the fourth week to really nail it down.

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Okay?

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Alright.

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And so if you look on your paper you'll see the circle one on the left hand side.

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And that's where we're starting at.

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Okay?

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Circle one.

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Alright.

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Right next to the circle one there's a blank that starts with a C.

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The big C there.

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The word is consistent.

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Consistent.

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Alright?

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And it goes with that word over to the right, which is a word that you'll almost see nowhere else.

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You'll see nowhere else used in the English language probably.

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Thorough going.

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Thorough going.

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So this doctrine we're going to talk about, the top half of the page,

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which fights with the doctrine on the bottom half of the page.

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Okay?

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They are thoroughly in conflict with one another.

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Consistent or thorough going.

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And it's called eschatology.

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And you don't really need to remember that word or anything,

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but eschatology means like the study of the end times.

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Anything that's an ology is a study of something and an eschatology is a study of the end times.

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So this is consistent or thorough going eschatology.

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And you follow the arrow up to the line right there.

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And you've got a word that starts with the letter F.

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Anybody want to take a stab at what a word might be that starts with the letter F

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that has to do with eschatology or the end times?

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Starts with an F. Say it again.

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Future.

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Future.

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That is correct.

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It's future.

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So the concept of eschatology or this understanding of the kingdom of God,

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that's really what we're talking about, the coming of the kingdom of God,

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says that it's all future.

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So every bit of it is future.

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So they deny that there is any present existence of the kingdom of God.

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Okay?

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So it's consistent or thorough going eschatology and it's all future.

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And we're going to see how they do that.

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Follow the arrow up around to the left.

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And the big place that they start is the Lord's Prayer.

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And that three lines right there where it says there's nothing on the first line,

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then it says L and P, it's the Lord's Prayer.

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So if I say the kingdom of God is coming in the future,

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what about the Lord's Prayer says that?

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Somebody knows the Lord's Prayer, right?

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You know the Lord's Prayer, don't you?

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Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come.

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Oh, there it was.

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Okay, so what part of the Lord's Prayer says the kingdom is going to come in the future?

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Thy kingdom come, right?

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So we pray thy kingdom come and that's what goes on the next line.

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So the Lord's Prayer implies the kingdom is not here yet.

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That's what they say, right?

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So people who subscribe to this idea, consistent or thorough going eschatology,

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say that the kingdom is all in the future because believers are taught to pray thy kingdom come.

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And if we're asking for it to come, it must not be here yet.

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That's their whole logic, right?

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Now obviously you're kind of like, you know that this is not exactly right,

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but there is a huge school of thought amongst Christians that this is the way it goes, right?

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And back to the two.

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The primary one we'll cover next week, but these two make up almost all the rest of Christianity, all right?

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And you're going to see why in a second.

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So now we've got the Lord's Prayer implied by the kingdom come, thy kingdom come.

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That implies it's to come yet.

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So now we're going to have a list of parables that they use to say why they think the kingdom is yet to come,

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that it's not here at all right now.

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It wasn't in Jesus' day and it's not coming for a while yet,

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or until what you call like the Perugia, which we'll talk about that later, okay?

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So the first parable is the wheat and tares.

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So somebody tell me just a little bit, snippet of the wheat and tares,

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how can the parable of the wheat and tares be talking about the fact that the kingdom of God is going to come later,

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that it's not here now, it's going to come later.

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What do you think?

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Is that the one where they're traveling down the road?

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Nope, that's the parable of the sower.

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Okay, so the wheat and tares, they're going to plant the field, right?

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He goes, buys a seed, gives it to his servants, he goes to plant the field.

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What happens in the morning when the seed starts to come up?

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Wheats and tares.

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Wheats and tares, right?

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So not all good.

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And they say, well, it must have been something bad sown in with the wheat, this bad seed.

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They inflated the seed with bad seed basically.

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And he says, they say, should we go out and tear out the tares?

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And he says, no, don't do that, because if you tear out the tares,

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you'll tear out some of the wheat with it, right?

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But at the end, at the harvest, then we'll kick the tares out,

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we'll take those out and burn them, and we'll harvest the wheat.

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So now what does that parable say to say that the kingdom of God is yet to come?

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How could you use that for an argument for that?

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Not a rhetorical question.

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I'm confused, that's wonderful.

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Okay, so if the parable says, in the parable, where are we in the story?

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The wheat and the tares are in the field, right?

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That's where we're at.

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They're starting to grow.

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So wheat and tares are growing up in the kingdom of God,

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except they say not the kingdom of God.

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Then they say, the kingdom of God is going to come at a certain moment in time when,

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I'll give you this one, I'll just explain it,

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maybe the next one will kind of come a little easier.

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When the harvesters come, oh sorry, when the harvesters come

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and they take the good wheat into the kingdom, and the tares, they burn.

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So the argument is, the kingdom will start when the harvesters come

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and sort the wheat and the tares.

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That's the argument that they make.

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If the wheat's going to wind up in the kingdom,

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and they're saying it's not in the kingdom now,

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there is no expression of the kingdom in wheat growing amongst tares.

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That's the argument that they make.

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So let's take another one.

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Does anybody know the parable of the dragnet?

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That's the next one.

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On the next line is the dragnet.

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The dragnet is one word.

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What's below the kingdom parable?

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The wheat and tares.

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So it goes, the wheat and tares, that little squiggle is an ampersand.

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It's called an ampersand, it means and.

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It's not a very good one, but it's there.

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And then the next one is the dragnet.

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Does anybody know the parable of the dragnet?

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It's a less known parable, I'll tell you that right now.

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Go ahead.

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You know it, Tony?

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He throws a net out there and catches a bunch of fish,

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and then all the fish he collects, the ones he wants, he keeps,

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and then once he throws away, nothing hurts.

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So the ones that are good, he takes them in.

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The ones that are bad, he throws them away.

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So how could that parable argue for a future kingdom?

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There will be a time that the bad is tossed out and separated.

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So let's go back for a second and remember last week,

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as we talked about what a kingdom is and a kingdom reigns,

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if that fisherman is looking at those fish and he said,

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these are the good fish, I'm going to keep those,

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and these are the bad fish, I'm going to get rid of those,

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so the bad fish represent people who will not submit to the king, right?

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So if the kingdom is where Jesus reigns,

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how can we have good fish and bad fish in the kingdom?

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That's the argument that they're making.

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So they're saying, when it really will become the kingdom,

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is when we only have good fish in the kingdom,

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or go back to parable wheat and tares.

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When it really will become the kingdom is when we only have the wheat

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and we get rid of the tares.

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So they're arguing that the kingdom has not come

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because they see those parables as saying that it's going to come later.

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We'll follow a little bit further on.

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The next one is the Ten Virgins, parable of the Ten Virgins.

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Going right down that list, Ten Virgins.

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A virgin is a young woman,

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probably a young woman who has not had intercourse with a man, right?

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So the Ten Virgins, does anybody know the parable of the Ten Virgins

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off the top of their head a little bit?

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Don't eat a lot, a little bit?

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Want to take a stab at it?

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The parable of the Ten Virgins, what are they waiting for?

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What are the Ten Virgins waiting for?

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This is why we want to study our Bibles,

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because these things are all linked together.

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So the Ten Virgins, they're waiting for the coming of the bridegroom.

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They're going to celebrate the wedding.

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And they've all got lamps.

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So follow the story, it sounds familiar now, right?

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They've all got lamps.

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Some trim and some don't trim.

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Some have enough oil, some don't.

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Some have to go buy oil.

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But when they come back, the wedding party has begun,

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and now they're not allowed to come in, right?

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And so the parable of the Ten Virgins supports that the kingdom has not come yet,

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by their logic, because we're waiting for the bridegroom,

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we're waiting for it to begin, and we're supposed to be ready.

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And once it begins, either we'll be ready and be in, or we won't.

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And that's what there's...

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So then these people who argue for consistent referral going,

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eschatology say the kingdom of God has not begun yet.

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It's all future.

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The next one is the parable of the talents.

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Do we know the parable of the talents?

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It's actually two different ones, actually, the parable of the talents.

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The parable of the talents, you're given talents of silver.

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The one with the old lady, and they give like small...

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Nope, that's...

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Actually, that's not a parable.

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That's an actual story that Jesus observed, right?

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Yeah. Yep. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

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Yeah, and two times, he tells the parable of the talents twice, right?

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And two times, they give him silver, and then he goes away.

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He comes back.

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And what happens, Tommy, when he comes back?

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Two have invested it and made more money, buried it.

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And didn't? Right, okay.

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Pays the ones that invested it and made more money,

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he pays them more and then he takes away the money.

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Right, and then he casts that guy out.

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Okay, and so implied in that parable is that there's going to come a time

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when the master comes looking for his, right?

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And if you're in, you're in, and you're going to receive even more.

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And if you're not, you're out, and you get nothing, worse than nothing.

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Okay, so again, they take that parable to say that the kingdom is yet to come.

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Okay, and then that last one there where it's got the dashes,

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if you'll count the dashes, it's F-U-T-U-R-E.

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And the main point of consistent or thorough going eschatology

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is to remember that the kingdom of God, that place where Jesus reigns,

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they say has not come in any semblance at all.

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They are consistent to say again?

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F-U-T-U-R-E, future, the word future.

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Okay, but we're not done yet as you can see.

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Okay, so we're following down to the right.

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We see the word Jesus, see the word Jesus there next to future.

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Here is the thing, they say to make this work that Jesus was mistaken.

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So you can put mistaken on the line.

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And what he thought was that the kingdom of God was going to come in his lifetime,

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but he was wrong.

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Now I have a problem with that.

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I know that Jesus said all the seasons and times are not even for me to know.

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I understand that he limited his knowledge while he was living on the earth.

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I understand that.

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which I would be okay with him being mistaken about the coming of the kingdom of God,

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but what I would have a problem with would be him being mistaken about the kingdom of God

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and preaching that it was going to come.

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that would be one thing.

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has come or has drawn near, to use a phrase that's translate, that's tough.

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I have a problem with that.

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because you need Jesus to be mistaken in order for it to work.

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in Matthew chapter 16, verse 28?

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that's what he says in Matthew 16, 28.

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but I'm not sure what the word right there is.

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that you would expect that that's when the kingdom of God will come.

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I have a problem with Jesus had to be mistaken, but I get it.

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then this whole thing that we're studying here,

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consistent thoroughgoing eschatology is correct.

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but he didn't come the second time, which had to be what he was talking about

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because he was there saying it.

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So if you want to study the son of man, you can go to the book of Ezekiel and study.

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Anybody think that's a telescope?

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Deuteronomy also.

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Daniel is the one in question because we're talking about the son of man.

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Does anybody have a Bible?

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Anybody near a Bible? Tommy's got a phone Bible.

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So let's go to Daniel 7, 13 to 14. Let's hear it.

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I keep looking in the night visions, and behold with the cloud of heaven,

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one like a son of man was coming, and he came up to the ancient of days,

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and was presented before him.

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And to him was given domain, glory, and a kingdom,

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that all the peoples, nation, and man of every language might serve him.

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His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which will not pass away,

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and his kingdom is one which will not be destroyed.

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To them, they knew it was pointing forward to a messiah, to a lord, to a king.

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A king, as we saw last week, he would be in the order of David,

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an eternal on the throne, that kind of thing.

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it's pretty clear he's referring to Daniel 7, 13 to 14,

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which has caused theologians, which are people who study the Bible a lot more than me,

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a lot more than any of us, probably all of us combined,

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to really study hard on the phrase, the son of man.

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So it has followed like two directions.

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on studying the Jewish writings in Jesus' day.

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would Jews who were present think of him as the Messiah, the coming king, and like that?

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So they studied that really heavily and asked that question.

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Three guys, you don't need to remember these,

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but they're on your paper for future reference, named Casey, Linders, and Vermus.

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They studied this really heavy, and this is what they found.

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Three possibilities, all of which kind of link into this consistent,

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or thoroughgoing eschatology, but don't really fit exactly right biblically,

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and I'll show you why.

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it's usually a classification, meaning a human being.

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A son of man is a human being.

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So if I say I'm a son of man, well yeah, duh, you're a human, so you're a son of a man.

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Linders found that it was a class, like as in being bestowed with certain authority

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or certain capability, so it might have been a reference to being created in the image of God,

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for example, or something like that, so it's a class of persons.

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It was just a way of talking about yourself.

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So he might go around in school, and every time they say, Jason, you here?

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Now obviously we don't do that, but that's a way that he found that it to be used in the Jewish writings.

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Now if you go to, that's a little face they're facing left,

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and they're facing off with another idea over on the left over here.

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And Owen and Shepard are two men.

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Now they got their studies a place I would really like to get my studies from.

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They went to the Qumran Scrolls.

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Does anybody know what that is?

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The scrolls?

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The original text of the Bible.

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So they are original text of the Bible and other things, right, that were stored there.

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They found them in a cave.

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So in 1940, I want to say eight, Shepard's out in the field.

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He's throwing rocks into caves to scare the sheep out.

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Throws it in.

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Here's a breaking noise like something ceramic broke, goes in and looks,

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and they find scrolls that have been buried there for a long period of time.

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and Daniel, and a lot of the prophets,

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and stuff like that, no New Testament obviously because it was buried a long time before that was ever started, right,

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but Old Testament, and they were able to examine this text of Isaiah

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and compare it with a modern text of Isaiah and see that they're almost identical in every single way.

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Like every jot and tittle and mark and letter and almost everything is identical.

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there was nothing that changed the meaning at all or even came close to changing the meaning.

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So most of the copies of the Bible we get come from later texts that were after Jesus, right?

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They're Old Testament, but they're the writings that, copies that came after Jesus.

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We have thousands, thousands of copies of texts.

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So now we're talking about, like you could trace 700 years of writing that was written here and look at it here.

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which proves the miracle that God was sustaining his word, if nothing else.

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The point is, that's where they studied to look for Jewish language and how it would have been.

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That's the kind of things he would have had.

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They found that it was never used as a self-reference or a self-title, ever.

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In any writings that they found in the Qumran scrolls after they studied them thoroughly, it was never.

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So that totally threw out what these other guys said.

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And then now you follow it down to Daniel 7.

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because that's where we're getting Jesus speaking the Son of Man phrase.

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So you're in the context.

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Does anybody know what's happening in Daniel 7?

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Do you remember?

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This is what I call one of my favorite stories.

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Because it's still good Daniel.

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It's what I read before I got saved that I couldn't understand.

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Yes, from there.

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Yeah, it's not 7, but it's right before that.

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Good stuff.

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Yeah, so in 7 he's literally having a vision.

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But the context of 2 through 7 is increasing pressure.

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And that's what goes on those blanks.

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Increasing pressure.

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Increasing pressure against the Jews to do what?

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Increasing pressure against the Jews to do what?

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Pastoring veggies?

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I'm not getting confused with veggie dance.

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So they said, I'll give you one.

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They said, our God is able to save us from the fiery furnace.

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But even if he does not, we will not...

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What?

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We will not what?

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Bow down and comply.

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So there's increasing pressure against the Jews to worship idols or false gods.

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That's what was going on in the context of Daniel 2 through 7.

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Increasing pressure against them while they're in captivity to bow down.

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And you got a little 10 there, H, and after the H goes horned.

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10-horned beast.

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And the 10-horned beast is beating a snot out of God's people.

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And I'm using not literally, right?

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Figuratively.

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But you're beating them up really bad.

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Trying to force them to worship false gods.

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The LH there is little horn.

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And that's the beast.

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Come against God's people trying to force them to worship false gods.

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In the middle of that, Daniel sees a vision of the court and thrones.

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And that is, in the reference there is Daniel 7, 13, and 14.

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And so the Ancient of Days is seated.

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It's under where it says Ancient of Days.

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You see the blanks?

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I know it's a little tight in there.

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So he says, while God's people are under the greatest assault to worship false gods.

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That's when God takes his seat on the throne and delivers his kingdom.

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And he says, the Son of Man comes up in the Ancient of Days and he seats him on the throne.

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that will put an end to that struggle.

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In the midst of the greatest attacks, while the little horned beast is attacking,

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he sits on the throne.

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And it goes down the right hand side.

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The H is human-like.

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He's human-like.

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So when you say, when he's pointing him out, I saw a man like a son of man.

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He's saying he's human-like.

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He has human traits.

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But also, he has divine power.

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So the next thing is divine power.

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And then authority.

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Remember the verses that R.J. read.

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So you saw a son of man sitting on the throne.

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He sits him on the throne.

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This is all while the ten-horned beast and the new little horn are wreaking havoc and rage

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against God's people, the court, the thrones, the Ancient of Days.

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And he is seated, a human-like person with divine power, authority, glory.

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The next one is glory.

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And by the way, humans aren't supposed to have glory, not like God has glory.

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So now we've got he's human-like, divine power, authority, glory.

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Then you see that's sovereign power.

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Sovereign power is ruling power.

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You sit on the throne, that means you're ruling.

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So sovereign power.

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And then under the curved line there is the word worship.

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He is worshiped.

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So humans are not meant to be worshiped and false gods are not meant to be worshiped.

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This guy who will be the king, he is meant to be worshiped.

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And then maybe most importantly, he has an eternal kingdom.

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And it starts with an E there.

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It's got an R.

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00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:37,000
And then there's the blank that says kingdom.

477
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,000
So when Jesus refers to himself as the son of man,

478
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,000
what he's really talking about is he's the guy.

479
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,000
He's the human-like, divine power, authority, glory, sovereign power,

480
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000
worship, eternal kingdom guy.

481
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,000
But you could argue that he is actually just connecting himself

482
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:05,000
with the suffering and victory of God's people that was pictured in Daniel 7.

483
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,000
And because you know what his suffering is going to be, he's going to be crucified,

484
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:15,000
and you know what his victory is going to be, he's going to be resurrected and reign eternally,

485
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,000
then that makes a lot of sense that Jesus would call himself son of man

486
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000
and refer to that passage of scripture that way.

487
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Suffering and victory go on that next set of lines there.

488
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:31,000
Once we get this last one done before we do the second half, we'll do some quizzing.

489
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,000
And then there is a broader set of terms that you could use.

490
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,000
Jesus is definitely suffering again.

491
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:46,000
And then E is enthronement, because literally that's what was happening in Daniel 7.

492
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,000
He went to go sit on the throne. The ancient of days put him on the throne.

493
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000
And then the last one is authority.

494
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,000
So Jesus was connecting himself, whether you want to say he was connecting himself

495
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,000
with the broader category, human-like, divine power, authority, glory, sovereign power,

496
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,000
worship, eternal kingdom, all of that in light of the suffering and persecution.

497
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000
Or if you just want to say he was resonating with suffering and victory,

498
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,000
or he was resonating with suffering, enthronement, and authority,

499
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,000
which applied to him, any of that works.

500
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,000
So I have a few questions, then a brief summary, and the bottom half will go faster.

501
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,000
So first of all, Jason, are you with me?

502
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:39,000
All right.

503
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:50,000
When in the parable of the dragnet that I explained, what happens in the last days?

504
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
The blank is on the left-hand side. It's one of those parables.

505
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000
What is the end of that story, the dragnet?

506
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,000
It's not written on the page. You're going to have to remember.

507
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:06,000
Do I remember?

508
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000
That's right. It takes a good fish, gets rid of the bad fish.

509
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Very good. I got one for you and one for your buddy.

510
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Okay, good job. He pulled it out of his mind. All right.

511
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:28,000
Okay, Natalie, how many horns does the beast wind up with in the middle there?

512
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,000
He started with ten, but then there's a little horn.

513
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,000
You count that one? So it will be eleven.

514
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,000
Ten horns, and then he got a little horn too, so that's eleven horns.

515
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Okay, Danny, ready?

516
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:54,000
In Daniel 7, there's something happening to God's people that precipitates this story.

517
00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:01,000
It's written right under Daniel 7 there. What is it?

518
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Can't read it? Okay, can you help him?

519
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000
They're doing it by committee over there. Still struggling.

520
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Under Daniel 7.

521
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:22,000
It says IP, so it's going to be IP, and it's not an IP address either.

522
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Okay, all right. What's the reference from Matthew up to the top left of the telescope?

523
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000
Matthew 16, 28. Okay.

524
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Nice. That's probably the best one we've had.

525
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,000
Okay, so the problem with consistent or thorough going,

526
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:56,000
the biggest problem with consistent or thorough going eschatology is that Jesus had to be what, Haley?

527
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,000
Smack in the middle next to Jesus' name.

528
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000
Yeah, that's right. Had to be mistaken.

529
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Ah, so close. Help her out, Mr. Tim.

530
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
All right, did I get the young people? I think I did pretty good.

531
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Okay, so realize that a huge portion of Christianity,

532
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000
going back as far as a name you'll probably remember, Albert Schweitzer, remember?

533
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000
You hear that name? Somebody, kind of pretty famous Christian dude.

534
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,000
He's been dead since 1965, but he's gone to be with the Lord, hopefully.

535
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,000
But anyway, pretty huge division of Christianity that buys this theology,

536
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:39,000
this idea of eschatology that the kingdom is not at all present now on Earth,

537
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,000
even though it means that Jesus had to be mistaken in preaching that the kingdom of God was at hand.

538
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Right? Okay, so now if you'll look on the far right corner of the page,

539
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,000
it's got the number two circled. We're starting right there. Yes, sir?

540
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
What's before victory?

541
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Before victory on the bottom, suffering and victory.

542
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Yep.

543
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
And what was the reference for each of the rings?

544
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:11,000
Daniel 7. It's actually probably 9 to 10, but it's also in 1314.

545
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000
It says it twice, 910 or 1314.

546
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000
That's it. Thank you.

547
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Okay. Everybody else good? Got your blanks pretty much?

548
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,000
All right. Okay, so we're starting in the bottom right-hand corner too,

549
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,000
and we're going to talk about realized eschatology.

550
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,000
So that word there is realized.

551
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,000
So this is another theory, and it says that the kingdom of God,

552
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000
it's on the bottom right, all the way in the bottom right-hand corner.

553
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,000
That's an R. It kind of looks like a B, but it's an R.

554
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Oh, okay.

555
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Yeah, I just realized it kind of looks like an R, or it kind of looks like a B, but it's an R.

556
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Realized eschatology. The two is the starting point.

557
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,000
All right, and so in realized eschatology, follow the arrow to the left,

558
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,000
realized eschatology denies any future reference.

559
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,000
That's what goes in those blanks, denies any future reference.

560
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:10,000
So they argue that the kingdom of God is here and now and never more than right now.

561
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Bottom of the page, start on the bottom right with the two, the number two.

562
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,000
See it? And it goes to the left, and it says denies any future reference.

563
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:27,000
So they would, so C.H. Dodd, who's a pretty famous theologian, said that Jesus,

564
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:34,000
he argued that Jesus preached not that the kingdom of God has drawn near,

565
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000
as a lot of translations say, but that the kingdom of God has come.

566
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
What goes on the bottom B?

567
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:46,000
Realized, it's an R. Catch up, bud.

568
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Realized, it's an R. We were joking about how bad my R looked.

569
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,000
You just missed it.

570
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000
He realized it was an R, yes.

571
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Realized eschatology denies any future reference.

572
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,000
So they say the kingdom of God has come and it will never be more here than it is right now.

573
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Okay?

574
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,000
And this gets pretty sticky by the time we're done, but Dodd is a pretty famous theologian.

575
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,000
He argued that instead of saying the kingdom of God has drawn near,

576
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,000
that Jesus was actually preaching the kingdom of God has come.

577
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
And there's very little difference in the Greek.

578
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,000
To say something has drawn near, to say something has come is basically the same thing.

579
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,000
So brother Tim was at work, he got off work and rushed around a little bit,

580
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
and then he has come, or he has drawn near.

581
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000
Same thing, because he's with us now.

582
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000
So there's that.

583
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:46,000
So they put the sticky wicket or the big point, follow the arrow up around that O to the blanks there,

584
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,000
and I've done the hard part for you and it's the perusia.

585
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Perusia, that's pronounced perusia.

586
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Does anybody know what the perusia is?

587
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000
Without me telling you?

588
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Anybody want to take a stab at it?

589
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,000
Say it again?

590
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000
It actually has nothing to do with perusing, it's not even spelled the same.

591
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:11,000
No, no Paris and Russia babies either.

592
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Is anybody ever read the Left Behind series or heard of the Left Behind series?

593
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,000
Lehay and whatever that other person was, which by the way was completely unbiblical but kind of entertaining.

594
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:28,000
So the perusia is when Jesus comes again a second time and takes the church basically.

595
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
That's the perusia.

596
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000
That's important to know that because somebody will mention it to you,

597
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000
especially if you get in a debate or something.

598
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
What about the perusia?

599
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,000
Has it happened? When's it going to happen?

600
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Has it happened? Yes, it's been so long.

601
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,000
That kind of thing.

602
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
So the perusia.

603
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:53,000
And so follow to the right in the quote there.

604
00:36:53,000 --> 00:37:04,000
They say that the decisive, that top word is decisive, event had already happened.

605
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000
That's the argument.

606
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
In other words, they say in Jesus' day when people were walking with Jesus,

607
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000
they were listening to Jesus talking and everything like that,

608
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,000
they were saying that Jesus was saying...

609
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000
What?

610
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
...event had already happened.

611
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Jesus was saying that instead of him preaching about he was going to come again,

612
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:30,000
he was helping them to realize that his coming that he was doing right then was really the thing.

613
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000
That this was it.

614
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
They were living it.

615
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Now that takes out the book of Revelation.

616
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000
I understand that, but they were looking at the teachings of Jesus.

617
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,000
And even then they would argue that the book of Revelation is kind of a metaphor or something like that,

618
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
so that it's not really Jesus coming again, taking the church home, that kind of thing.

619
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000
So they said that the Christians who were following Jesus while Jesus was walking on the earth,

620
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Jesus was teaching them and helping them to understand that it really was right then.

621
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000
That what was happening was it.

622
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,000
And not that he was pointing to something that they had to wait a really long time for or whatever.

623
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Now follow that line up around to the left, to the top of the list there.

624
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,000
I would totally get rid of who it was and who is the throne.

625
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Yep.

626
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Isn't that what John the Baptist was preaching to?

627
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000
Just saying.

628
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Yeah, so John the Baptist and Jesus both preached that the kingdom is here.

629
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:34,000
But that actually fits with this eschatology and also the one we're going to study next week.

630
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,000
So you'll see how it connects.

631
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:44,000
But the point is, they said that the Christians in that day had begun to understand that the decisive event,

632
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,000
the big thing that Jesus was pointing to, had already happened.

633
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Now follow the arrow up around to the left and we're going to look at a list of parables

634
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,000
that they used to support their position.

635
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,000
And by the time you're done, you're going to kind of go, oh, that actually kind of makes a lot of sense.

636
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,000
So the first one is the hidden treasure.

637
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Anybody remember the parable of the hidden treasure?

638
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000
Can you give me a brief synopsis?

639
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000
Take a stab at it.

640
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Of course.

641
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,000
He sees something in the field, wonders what it is, and he goes and sees the treasure.

642
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000
So he goes and sells everything he has to go get it.

643
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Right.

644
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,000
So the hidden treasure is in the field.

645
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000
He goes, he finds it in the field.

646
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000
He leaves it in the field.

647
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000
He goes off and sells everything he has and buys the field.

648
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Now he owns the treasure because it's in the field.

649
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Right.

650
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:43,000
So how does that fit with the concept that the decisive event or the kingdom of God had already come?

651
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000
It was already there.

652
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Because the treasure was already there when he brought it.

653
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Okay.

654
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,000
The treasure was already there.

655
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
But who knew the treasure was there?

656
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Nobody.

657
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
But he found out.

658
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,000
And then he gave everything he had to get it.

659
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
See how that makes sense?

660
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:10,000
So if the kingdom of God is in your midst, it's already here, and you're giving everything you have to get in, to get in the kingdom of God,

661
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000
then they would argue and say the kingdom of God was already present.

662
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:20,000
They would even say instead of a perusia, instead of pointing toward a perusia that's coming, they would say, it's right now.

663
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000
You're just missing it.

664
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,000
Right.

665
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Everybody's missing it, including some of the disciples that were with them and whatever.

666
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
They would say, well, you're just missing it.

667
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Okay.

668
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
The next one is the costly pearl.

669
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Similar situation.

670
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Wealthy pearl.

671
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Man sells everything, gets a pearl.

672
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,000
The next one, so fill it in, but we're going to go faster because we're running a long time.

673
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,000
Costly pearl.

674
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000
The next one is the tower builder.

675
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
This one's important.

676
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Anybody remember the tower builder?

677
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Very simple.

678
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000
It's like two verses.

679
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
I bet you have.

680
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
As soon as we tell it, you'll remember it.

681
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
Tower builder.

682
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Build a house on sand.

683
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,000
Nope.

684
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,000
That's another one.

685
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
That's a good one, but that's not this one.

686
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Okay.

687
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,000
The tower builder says, does a man set out to build a tower without first considering whether he can pay the cost?

688
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,000
Lest he get halfway through building it, can't finish it, and everybody looks at him and how foolish he is.

689
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Right.

690
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,000
That's the tower builder.

691
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000
No?

692
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Well, we're going to have to read it.

693
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Now you got your homework for you.

694
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,000
All right.

695
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000
It's not too hard to find.

696
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,000
All right.

697
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:42,000
So the point is that speaks to a kingdom that already exists because they're saying, well, would Jesus come and do all that he did not knowing whether he could finish the course?

698
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Were believers supposed to buy into this without even knowing what it is?

699
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:55,000
You know, the argument is the kingdom is here now, not later, but now.

700
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Value it for what it is.

701
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Okay.

702
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Then there's the king going to war.

703
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Same situation.

704
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:18,000
The king go to war without first considering, or he's going to war against an army of 20,000 without first considering if he can make war against that person that with the army that he has or if not, does he sue them for peace a long way off before he has to face them with not enough resources?

705
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Right.

706
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,000
So these are parables that argue for the kingdom of God is already present.

707
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Okay.

708
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,000
So here's the parable of the fig tree.

709
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Parable of the fig tree.

710
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,000
Parable of the fig tree.

711
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,000
The fig tree doesn't produce.

712
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000
Three years it doesn't produce.

713
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,000
I'm going to tear that fig tree down.

714
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,000
It doesn't produce.

715
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Then your keeper says, well, let me go fertilize the tree, dig around it, fertilize it, we'll give it one more year, see what we can do.

716
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,000
And he does.

717
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
And it begins to produce.

718
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Arguing that the kingdom of God was there.

719
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000
It's there.

720
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,000
Jesus came to stoke it.

721
00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:01,000
Jesus came to get people to realize that the kingdom of God was available to them, that it was in their midst.

722
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
You could say that he brought it.

723
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000
You could say that, you know, that he brought it to fruition at that time.

724
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
But the decisive event was then.

725
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000
It wasn't later.

726
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000
It was then when Jesus was in their midst.

727
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000
That's the argument that they would make.

728
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:20,000
And then the next one is lamp hidden under a bushel.

729
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Now I hope we know this one right.

730
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000
Anyone who lights a lamp?

731
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Hide it under a bushel?

732
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,000
No.

733
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000
You set it out on a table.

734
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,000
So it can do what?

735
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Shine and provide light for everyone in the house.

736
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Right?

737
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,000
So Jesus is the light.

738
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
He came.

739
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000
He shines.

740
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,000
And everyone in the house can see.

741
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Argument is, from the moment Jesus came, the kingdom of God was there.

742
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
And he was just waking people up to it.

743
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,000
He was making them able to see.

744
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:10,000
He was bringing people from the darkness into the light.

745
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Okay?

746
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Now, I probably have done a reasonably poor job of explaining how the parables connect to the eschatology.

747
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,000
But you can certainly see how someone could do that, which is the whole point.

748
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Right?

749
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,000
You can follow the logic.

750
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,000
That was not nearly that bad.

751
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:37,000
So actually, the thing is, a lot of Christians, true Christians probably,

752
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:44,000
some Christians following the Lord, believe in the Lord, subscribe to realized eschatology.

753
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:50,000
And why would anything that we're describing here stop you from being a Christian?

754
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
Neither one of these things, I don't want to get ahead of myself,

755
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,000
but neither one of these things are going to define whether you're a Christian or not.

756
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,000
I think you could get close when you say Jesus had to be mistaken.

757
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,000
That's kind of dangerous.

758
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
It is a slippery slope for sure.

759
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Because if he's mistaken about that, what else might he do?

760
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000
It kind of gets a little ugly.

761
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,000
But you could differ with that one point and say, well, he wasn't mistaken.

762
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
He was just helping them see it in a different way.

763
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000
And then the whole top of the page works.

764
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,000
You could argue for that based on scripture.

765
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,000
You'd be missing some scripture, as Brother Tony Tate said.

766
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,000
There are verses that would not work with it.

767
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,000
But everything that's up here would work with it.

768
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
And it would not make you not a Christian.

769
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,000
And now we're in the same place on the bottom.

770
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000
It would not make you not a Christian.

771
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000
But we're not done.

772
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,000
So then we've got that arrow out to the right to the blank.

773
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,000
And it says equals.

774
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,000
And the word is exorcism.

775
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000
What does exorcism mean?

776
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Somebody shout it out. What?

777
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Remove evil spirits or demons.

778
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,000
So I guess technically you could probably exorcise an angel.

779
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
I don't think that's a thing. I don't know.

780
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000
But exorcising evil spirits and demons is definitely there.

781
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:14,000
But anyway, so it's exorcism equals, this is the argument they make, Satan's defeat.

782
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,000
So they're saying that when Jesus and the disciples and the apostles

783
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,000
and those who came after and Paul and others in the name of Jesus

784
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,000
and all that kind of thing, all the exorcisms that were happening

785
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,000
were happening as signs of Satan's defeat.

786
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,000
That Satan had been defeated.

787
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,000
And therefore they were arguing that the decisive event,

788
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:41,000
the defeat of Satan, which was in the coming of Jesus, had already happened.

789
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,000
You'll recall Jesus saying in his lifetime at one point,

790
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,000
I saw Satan cast down from heaven, that old serpent.

791
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:53,000
And so they used these texts to support that the Kingdom of God has already come.

792
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,000
Now they extend it to say it has already come in its fullness, completely.

793
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,000
They say there is no future reference to the Kingdom of God.

794
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,000
That is too far for me.

795
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000
But the bottom line is they would say exorcism is Satan's defeat.

796
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,000
And they say, in the next one, I gave you a lot of little clues there.

797
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,000
I'll go and you kind of like try to get the next word. It'll be like a little game.

798
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:25,000
Okay, so it's the arrival. The first word is arrival of the Kingdom.

799
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,000
Next word.

800
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000
You want to take a stab at it? Say it again.

801
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,000
Now it's in the...

802
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,000
You got that. So it's arrival of the Kingdom in the...

803
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Nope.

804
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,000
Although you could kind of substitute that word.

805
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,000
Nope.

806
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,000
It's a weird word.

807
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,000
In the midst, very good, midst of conflict.

808
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,000
How do you spell that?

809
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Midst is M-I-D-S-T.

810
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Midst.

811
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,000
What?

812
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000
Midst. M-I-D-S-T.

813
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Now remember Daniel 7?

814
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,000
The context of Daniel 7?

815
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,000
2-7 was the Jews were under great pressure to worship a false god.

816
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Remember that?

817
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,000
And Jesus identifies himself as the Son of Man who comes

818
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,000
when they're under great pressure to worship a false god.

819
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Heavenly court is taking its seats. Jesus takes his seat.

820
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,000
As the Ancient of Days sits, Jesus sits.

821
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,000
He becomes that human-like divine power, authority, glory, sovereign power,

822
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
worship, eternal kingdom.

823
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,000
He's identifying himself with coming in the midst of conflict.

824
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,000
And they say that exorcism equals Satan's defeat.

825
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,000
It would not be possible if Satan's defeat were not complete.

826
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:50,000
And they say that that is a sign of the arrival of the kingdom in the midst of conflict.

827
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,000
So understand this about these two eschatologies.

828
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,000
Even though they are very common.

829
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,000
If you talk to Christians, if you talk to 20 Christians,

830
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,000
and you talk about these things in generic terms,

831
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,000
because most people are not even as equipped as you are right now

832
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000
to handle these types of topic.

833
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Because we're doing a higher level of deciphering in this set of lessons.

834
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,000
But if you talk to them in generic terms about the kingdom of God,

835
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000
where it's at, what it's like, whatever,

836
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,000
some of them will say, oh yeah, the kingdom of God came when Jesus came.

837
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,000
He said, kingdom of God is at hand. He said, Juneer, whatever, it's been here ever since then.

838
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,000
And that would be the bottom.

839
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,000
That's realized eschatology.

840
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,000
Others will say, well, no, the kingdom of God comes when Jesus comes again.

841
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,000
That's why we got all this messed up earth. It's so bad.

842
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,000
We got all these problems.

843
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,000
We prayed, thy kingdom come.

844
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,000
We're hoping for that day when it comes. Blah, blah, blah.

845
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
But the numbers go like this.

846
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,000
Out of 20 Christians, two or three will believe the bottom one,

847
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,000
and two or three will believe the top one,

848
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:00,000
and the other 14 will believe what we're going to talk about next week.

849
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,000
Now, you have to decide where you come down at.

850
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,000
But wherever you come down at, understand this.

851
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,000
It's not going to change whether you're saved or not.

852
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:15,000
That has to do with whether or not you've placed your salvation in the hands of the one who can preserve it until that day.

853
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,000
So if you're trusting in Jesus and receiving him as Lord and Savior, then you're saved.

854
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,000
And if you're not, you're not.

855
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,000
And either way, there is an eternity.

856
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Neither one of them deny that Jesus is the eternal King,

857
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,000
and there will be essentially one kingdom, Jesus' kingdom.

858
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,000
And if you're not part of it, then you'll be part of eternal separation from God.

859
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
So you'll be in hell instead of heaven.

860
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Neither one of them deny that.

861
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,000
In fact, they would say, for example, that the ones who say that the kingdom of heaven is now present,

862
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,000
it would say the kingdom of heaven is now present on earth as much as it ever will be,

863
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,000
and it will be in the new heaven and the new earth when God remakes the whole thing.

864
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
But there's no perusia.

865
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,000
That was all about a metaphorical language, whatever, about what Jesus is talking about his coming.

866
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,000
So they don't really believe that there is a second coming.

867
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,000
It was decisively done when Jesus first came.

868
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,000
So you have to decide where you fall, but don't make your decision yet,

869
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,000
because we're going to hit the third one next week,

870
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,000
which will then cover 100% of what Christians believe,

871
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,000
and you'll have to decide between the three.

872
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,000
If you want to ask me which one I believe, I believe the one that we're going to look at next week.

873
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,000
So that is where that falls.

874
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,000
There's no mistake in deciding together, it just doesn't work.

875
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Yeah, I struggle with that.

876
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,000
So you notice in the middle of this page, there are two men fighting it out.

877
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,000
In your mind's eye, I want you to understand that those are both Christian men.

878
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,000
So what am I warning you against?

879
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,000
In all of this, what am I warning you against?

880
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,000
What?

881
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Yeah, that's what I'm warning you against.

882
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:03,000
We believe a certain set of doctrines as a church, but if you differ on one of them, it's okay.

883
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,000
Now, if you differ on how to get saved and who is Lord and the things that you're supposed to do,

884
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,000
as He's commanded, like He's commanded us to do this or don't do that,

885
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,000
and you say, yeah, He said don't do that, but I don't have to listen to Him or whatever,

886
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,000
then that's going to be a problem.

887
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,000
That's going to make it not possible for you to fellowship with this church in the long run.

888
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,000
If you think, for example, you can have sex outside marriage, that's going to be a problem.

889
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
It's not acceptable.

890
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,000
If you think, for example, you can just blow off tithing or giving and not have anything to do with that,

891
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,000
that's going to be a problem.

892
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,000
If you think, for example, you can lie or cheat or steal, then that's going to be okay.

893
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,000
It's not going to be okay.

894
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:43,000
And the reason that is is because as a church or as a people of God, we submit to the Ancient of Days,

895
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,000
and He has set a standard for what's acceptable and what's not.

896
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:52,000
And when you do what's not acceptable or when you fail to do what is desired, that's called sin.

897
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,000
And sin places a barrier between you and God.

898
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000
But guess what does not place a barrier between you and God?

899
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000
What you believe about doctrine.

900
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,000
That's what does not place a barrier.

901
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,000
So if you are a consistent and thorough going eschatologist,

902
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,000
I actually said that word on the first pass.

903
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,000
That was impressive.

904
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,000
I'm going to say it again because I loved it so much.

905
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,000
Consistent or thorough going eschatologist, see I did it twice.

906
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Anyway, then when you get to Jesus, as long as you know His Lord is all good,

907
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
you know why you're there, how you got there.

908
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,000
You might be a little confused about why it's so much better there

909
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:31,000
or why things change between now and then because they are going to change between now and then or whatever.

910
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:36,000
You might have to research your doctrines a few more times if it doesn't line up or whatever.

911
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:43,000
But if you know who He is and you do what He says, you're going to be fine.

912
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
Okay, close with this illustration.

913
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:51,000
I went to actually interview to be a family, youth and families pastor in Memphis, Tennessee,

914
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,000
outside of Memphis, Tennessee many years ago now.

915
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:01,000
And the night before I was going to interview, the guy that I was staying with who was a deacon in the church,

916
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,000
he asked me about what I felt about several different major doctrine points,

917
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000
a couple of which I didn't even have a clue what he was talking about.

918
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,000
I'm like, I don't know what that is.

919
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,000
And he said, well, you should be aware that in our associations in our state,

920
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,000
we have been fighting over that very thing for 10 years.

921
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
So the truth is our church comes down on this side of it.

922
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,000
And if you don't come down on this side of that,

923
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,000
considering we've been fighting with other churches and associations have been fighting with associations

924
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,000
and trying to figure all that, if you don't come down on that side of that,

925
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,000
you're probably going to have trouble in our church or in our association.

926
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,000
It's very real.

927
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,000
People disagree and they think disagreeing over something like that is worthwhile to fight with,

928
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,000
but you got to remember who you're fighting with.

929
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,000
If you're fighting with somebody who belongs to the ancient of days,

930
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,000
at best you lose in the end.

931
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:00,000
Because the truth is, do you believe that this point of doctrine or this point of doctrine

932
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,000
or the one we're going to talk about next week is perfect understanding of what God says?

933
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Because if you are, that's a little arrogant,

934
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,000
especially if you're expecting me to teach you a perfect understanding of what God says,

935
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,000
that's a little arrogant because I'm just some guy that's trying to follow what the Lord wants me to do.

936
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,000
And so we can get there, but we may have to start with,

937
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,000
this makes a little sense and this makes a little sense and this makes a lot of sense

938
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,000
and put the three together and get the best understanding we can live,

939
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
the best understanding we can do.

940
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,000
Now, what does the Bible say about Scripture?

941
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,000
That it is of no person's personal interpretation.

942
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,000
So guys get together and they talk about the Bible,

943
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,000
five, six, eight, ten, fifty, fifty thousand guys, whatever.

944
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,000
We might get a pretty good understanding of Scripture all working together.

945
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,000
But if you go home and you read it and go, I know exactly what that means and I got this nailed.

946
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,000
And then you run to somebody else and thinks it means something a little different.

947
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,000
You got to push your ideas on them and you're willing to pick up a sledgehammer or growl or grunt at them

948
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,000
or get mad at them or kick them out of the church, whatever,

949
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,000
because they believe a little bit differently, you got a real problem.

950
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:08,000
Because Jesus came to bring, He is the King of Kings.

951
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,000
He's the Lion of Judah.

952
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,000
But He is also the bringer of peace.

953
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Remember what the angel said about Jesus the night before, or the night that He was born?

954
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Peace on earth, goodwill to men.

955
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,000
With what?

956
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,000
With whom?

957
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
God is well pleased.

958
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Men who sinned against God, men who would cry, crucify Him, crucify Him.

959
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:41,000
Men who were thieves, men who were contentious and arguing over all kinds of dumb things.

960
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,000
Just be careful who you pick to be your enemies.

961
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,000
If they want to be your enemy, you can't do anything about that.

962
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,000
You want to be their enemy, you got a problem.

963
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:57,000
You work on being a follower of Jesus and then don't worry about divisions over doctrine and stuff like that.

964
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,000
But do follow the Lord, because otherwise you're in trouble.

965
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,000
We're going to close in for a good time.

966
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,000
Remember to get your three hole punch and get a binder if you're keeping a binder.

967
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,000
And remember to give me a heads up when you get close to seven in a row if you're keeping that,

968
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,000
or seven total if you're not able to get them in a row.

969
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Father in heaven, we praise you and thank you that we can look long and hard

970
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,000
at events that happened almost 2,000 years ago.

971
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,000
And we can consider studies by people who have spent hours and hours.

972
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,000
Some of the men whose names are on this paper spent decades studying.

973
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:41,000
And they would, and they studied in like 40 hours a week, and we're studying maybe a few hours a week.

974
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:49,000
Lord, and they would do 40 hours a week for decades to conclude opposite things.

975
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:57,000
And I'm guessing, because I believe they were professing Christians anyway certainly,

976
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,000
and a lot of people believe that, that they could sit down at coffee or lunch,

977
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:09,000
that they could pray together, bless one another, show up for one another, help one another, encourage one another,

978
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,000
even though they disagreed on whether the kingdom of God was already here in its fullness

979
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,000
and never going to come anymore than it already is,

980
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,000
or whether the kingdom of God was yet to come in its fullness and it wasn't here at all.

981
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,000
Those are pretty radical positions, that's probably why we took them first.

982
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,000
But the real lesson to learn, Lord, is that you are God and you know better than we do.

983
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,000
And we submit to you today, tomorrow, and always.

984
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:48,000
I pray this in Jesus' name. Amen.